Talk:Savatage

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Since there are already two Paul O'Neills, does anyone know the best way to decide what to give his links? I put (Record Producer) but then noticed Trans-Siberian Orchestra's page has (composer). Which is better? I think he should have a stub made with brief information of him so he can have a disambiguation link on the page along with the baseball player, but I don't know anything about him beyond Savatage and TSO.

I think (Producer) would be best, since he really isn't a composer... He produces each of the albums, works with concepts and such, but he's not really a composer.

I removed the Chance summary because I've no idea where the Italian reference comes from.. the official faq http://www.savatage.com/bandinfo/faq3.html says it is about Sugihara (Although the first name is different to the wiki article, must be a mix up from O'Neill) as it says on Handful of Rain page, and I didn't think the song topic needs restating twice in the encylopedia so I didn't correct it.

According to his Japanese Wikipedia entry, Senpo/Sempo was Sugihara's nickname. The characters that form his real name, Chiune, can also be read as Senpo. I guess O'Neill just knew of him by his nickname.

External Links

I've trimmed links here before, but the ones remaining seem OK by WP:EL, so I've reverted their deletion twice. Why wouldn't they be acceptable? -- JHunterJ 12:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Citation request

Edit summary says "removed offending facts" -- since when are citation requests offensive? -- JHunterJ 14:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You forgot Doctor Butcher

You failed to mention Jon and Chris's other project Doctor Butcher.

Savatage breaking up?

IMHO, a citation would be helpful, considering the fact that there's nothing about that in their official site for extense.

Fair use rationale for Image:Savatage Logo.png

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Five-Star Ratings

Please forgive my ignorance, but where do these star ratings for the albums come from? Without some kind of reference to whose ratings they are, there's no way they are NPOV. Please help me understand how they got there and where they come from. Mitchell k dwyer 11:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

With no discussion after one week, I have removed the ratings. Mitchell k dwyer 10:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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The Dungeons are Calling

Quick question, do people consider The Dungeons are Calling an EP or an album? Because it's consistantly getting re-added to the Studio Albums section on the Discography section of the page. If it's an EP, then it's not a studio album and should be there, that's all.

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Timeline colors

It's not clear what is meant by the color scheme on the band lineup timeline. At one point Jon Oliva's goes from purple with a red line through it to red with a purple line through it, then back, with no explanation. One can extrapolate that the larger color is the "primary" role in the band, but the chart should reflect that information instead of just assuming everyone knows how to read it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.192.215 (talk) 19:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

They are typically not meaningful. The fact that they are different colors helps make each role in the band distinct. Conventions for these colors (such as "drums are always yellow") are not present. (As far as I know.) Two colors for a single member indicates two distinct roles. The primary color doesn't necessitate their primary role. It can if you want it to. But as the chart indicates clearly, each color represents a role. Taking it further than that brings in confusion. Let's not worry about whether primary colors are the most important, or that the primary color is their primary role. Vortiene (talk) 20:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Although, the touring musicians portion of the timeline is generally needlessly complicated and confusing. I don't particularly think every touring musician with the band needs to be included on the band timeline, as the main reason people utilize the timeline is to see which main members were in the band at each point in the band's history. Vortiene (talk) 20:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Jack Frost and other opinions in band history

Some of the band history is intermixed with opinion In particular, the article suggests Jack Frost might have been led away due to other commitments. This is very far from the case. Getting hired for Savatage was a major highlight in Frost's career; I know this to be fact due to being long-time friends with someone who corresponded with him at length about his role in Savatage. Now, here's what I'm guessing from reading scattered interviews, looking at timelines, and talking with my friend: at the time, Savatage was being re-shaped in order to lead all the fans toward Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Frost probably wouldn't have been kept on for TSO, but would have been let go with Damond Jiniya when Savatage disbanded. Frost got canned when he did because Al Pitrelli wanted to return to being involved with TSO when Megadeth went on hiatus. I know (from my friend) that Jack Frost was blindsided; he had put all his other music projects by the wayside to play in Savatage. Of course, I have no way to back this up encyclopedically, but there are surely interviews floating around with citable transcripts. os (talk) 00:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)