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Ways to improve Russian interference in the 2016 United Kingdom referendum on exiting the European Union
[edit]Hi, I'm Slatersteven. Wikidea, thanks for creating Russian interference in the 2016 United Kingdom referendum on exiting the European Union!
I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. This really needs a lot of work top be a stand alone article. At this time it really is little more then a collection of random opinions.
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This might not be your department ... maybe it is something external to your user page, that changed, and/OR something that you might not care about ...
anyway, the first entry under User:Wikidea#Interesting pages from Britannica 1911 says this:
and it seems to point to the URL "http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Category:Law".
However, there seems to be something wrong with that entire domain name, (www.1911encyclopedia.org). Clicking on that link, gives some kind of an "ERROR MESSAGE" web page (feel free to try it yourself) ... saying -- [in part!] -- something like
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Even trying to enter a Plano vanilla URL of "http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/" (in to my browser "location" window) ... with pretty much nothing but that domain name ... results in some kind of "IOU" -type web page ... which seems to suggest that maybe the web hosting isn't set up [correctly], and/or maybe there is some problem with the domain name registration ... or something.
Just "FYI". Read or Ignore ... --Mike Schwartz (talk) 21:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks - will fix! Wikidea 22:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, I reverted this edit of yours because there didn't appear to be a source. I didn't readily find a source myself but pinging you in case you have one so we can reinstate the material. Marquardtika (talk) 15:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Restored, added ref. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Wikidea 17:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Inquiring about sources of information on UK EPL
[edit]Hi there. I came across your informative articles on employment protection legislation in the UK. I'm writing my dissertation on the development of EPL in the UK from the 1950 to the present period. I'd like to pick your brain about a few things. Could you please email me at ferdosi@bell.net
Bristol Energy moved to draftspace
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- What a waste of time. Wikidea 18:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Utterly undersourced. Should not be in main space as is. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 21:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- I wanted to respond more fully following my short response yesterday. I have added a few more references and updated the page with some additional details. I stand by the observation that Wikipedia is not a listing of all sorts of companies and very often "startups" - which this effectively is - are not notable. This company has received sufficient coverage, mostly about their management issues, that would probably lift them over the bar. There are many ways to deal with undersourced articles: they can be expanded, tagged, moved or AfD'd, the avenue to be taken depends on many factors. However, it probably is not best practice to accuse editors of being "lazy" if the original article is not really the height of the art itself. I am not sure this would have passed AfC, for example, had it gone down this route. On a technical note, copy/paste page moves are generally discouraged as they lose the original article attribution. I shall request a history merge. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 08:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well done - I take back the lazy comment. Thanks for adding references. Much better. Wikidea 12:58, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Just curious...
[edit]...as to what prompted you to move California Agricultural Labor Relations Act to California Agricultural Labor Relations Act of 1975 a while back. To my knowledge (and I'm pretty sure I'd know about it), there's only one such act, so no need to distinguish the way we do for the various Civil Rights Acts in US history. PS - Thanks for all the work you've put into legal articles. Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Just convention - better to have the year of an Act. It tells you a lot about why it was passed, who, etc. Wikidea 13:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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- You're a massive weirdo. Wikidea 22:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Constitution of the United Kingdom
[edit]Thank you for your thorough re-write of this article and apologies for jumping on the bandwagon without perspective. Whizz40 (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- No worries at all mate! With such a long page and such a huge topic it takes heaps of time to understand everything there. I really must do much better at summarising. In all honesty, I wrote much of what was there quite quickly, and haven't come back to it since - so being picked up on this is very welcome. Wikidea 08:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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Labour exchange
[edit]Are you going to fix the incoming links or are you going to leave fixing things to others? A labour exchange in British English is NOT an employment agency. You have failed to provide a hatnote to help those readers misled by you. The only mention of labour exchanges in the text of your preferred target is of the British ones. DuncanHill (talk) 13:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- This isn't accurate. A public employment agency is usually what people said was a labour exchange, although before the Labour Exchanges Act 1909 in fact the unions and perhaps municipal governments set them up. If you want to read more, then there's a good book by Freedland, Countouris et al, on Public Employment Agencies, and tonnes of articles if you search here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22labour+exchange%22&btnG= Wikidea 13:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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Your draft article, Draft:Labour Party Rule Book
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Smith v Fonterra Co-operative Group Ltd moved to draftspace
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- I see that the article is back in mainspace (no problem) but it got there by a cut-and-paste move (big problem!). The issue caused by that is that all the attribution history is lost. I shall repair that through what's called a history merge. Don't ever do that again; as a lawyer, you should be finely attuned to issues related to attribution and copyright. The correct way of renaming articles, or changing between namespaces is to move it. Any questions, please ask (please ping me if you do so). Schwede66 22:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for explaining - and no problem to keep that in mind in future. Wikidea 11:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Pinduoduo article help?
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Bill Carmody Draft
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