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December 13

Page on Table 2 Fallacy

Hi, I drafted a page on the Table 2 Fallacy. How do I publish this? It seems to be stuck as a draft.

Thanks, Tom Tomayates (talk) 16:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I added the information to your draft to allow you to submit it; however, if you submitted it, it would be declined quickly, as you only have a single source. Wikipedia articles summarize multiple independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

If you look on the draft page itself, Draft:Table 2 Fallacy you will see the option to submit, but I would advise against it because it will likely be rejected. At the moment, your article does not establish that it is a notable subject through the use of multiple, independent, secondary sources. If you haven't done so yet, I recommend you first review WP:YFA. TiggerJay (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

And indeed, the single source is not independent. Once several people wholly unconnected with the originators of the term have published substantial materials about it, will a Wikipedia article about it be possible. Until then, it will fail Wikipedia's test for notability, and any time spent on trying will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

How to create a .css file?

I'll like to use some CSS on the portal pages, but I can't change the Page content model of Wikipedia:Portal/styles.css from “wikitext” to CSS. I need some help.Guilherme Burn (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Guilherme Burn, done. Mathglot (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Guilherme Burn: For use in TemplateStyles you need an interface administrator to change it to Sanitized CSS and not just CSS. You can use {{Edit interface-protected}} on the talk page, or see if an interface admin drops by here, or create a CSS page in a subpage in the template namespace and then move it to where you want it. (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Changed again; to sanitized CSS. I don't see a need to be an interface admin. @PrimeHunter. Mathglot (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh. In userspace it requires an interface admin but apparently not in project space. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Elan (programming language)

During 2024, Richard Pawson FBCS and his team have been developing and publicising a new language for teaching computer programming in British schools. It is called Elan and bears no relation to the Wikipedia page ELAN (programming language) and its now defunct (I believe) language. If it is agreed to create a Wikipedia page about this new language Elan, how should I best address the potential clash of page name? Note that this Elan is normally spelled in mixed case. Bernardboase (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Bernardboase, there is a long list of items at the disambiguation page for Elan, and the new article would likely need parenthetical disambiguation in its title. Whatever the title ends up being, it would have to be unique. Mathglot (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

You needn't worry much, Bernardboase. Where helpful (or necessary), distinctions can be fine: see for example the pair Tommy Godwin (cyclist, born 1912) and Tommy Godwin (cyclist, born 1920). And it's common for such "disambiguations" to be reconsidered and improved. Thus if I wanted to create the draft for an article on this Elan of Pawson et al, and if this Elan can be said to have been created this year, I might title my creation Draft:Elan (programming language, 2024–), aware that this might not be the best title for it but confident that it could be improved by those people who are more familiar than I am with the intricacies of titling . -- Hoary (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC) PS: But I fully agree with ColinFine below: notability (as defined by and for Wikipedia) is a far more important issue than the niceties of titling. -- Hoary (talk) 22:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Bernardboase. You say "If it is agreed to create a Wikipedia page about this new language". I advise not to worry about the title, or any other aspect at all of the proposed article, until you have answered that question.

I suspect that it is TOOSOON for a language developed in 2024, but I may be wrong. The question is, can you find several sources, published by reputable publishers or organs, where people wholly unconnected with Pawson and his team have written at some length about Elan? Unless the answer is "yes", you will not be able to establish that the language (yet) meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is currently possible. See WP:42 for a discussion of suitable sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all. So far the published articles that I have seen have been written by Pawson himself, so the criterion for notability is probably not yet met. I will keep tabs on progress before returning to this issue. Bernardboase (talk) 13:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

December 14

Question for administrator

Can i get a copy of the page i did, it was for university and i need it for my assignment. thanks --Andreuni993 (talk) 00:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

(moved from talk) '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Andreuni993 If you are on desktop, on the "Tools" bar there should be a "Download as PDF" option. I'm not sure which exact article you are referring to, but keep in mind that Wikipedia might not be an acceptable source for university assignments. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I have looked up your contributions and can't find any page that you did. Or maybe you are talking about User:Andreuni993/sandbox that has been deleted because it violated the rules? ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 04:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Andreuni993, I have trouble believing that a course at any university would invite its students to submit, or to submit work based on, fawning profiles such as this. -- Hoary (talk) 05:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think I was meant to upload it I think I did it on accident when I tried to create a link to the sandbox sorry for any trouble that this may have caused Andreuni993 (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Moved from talk -- John of Reading (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Andreuni993: If you enable email at Special:Preferences then I can mail you a copy of the deleted page. It's not suited for Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Think i have managed to enable my email once again sorry for any inconvenience Andreuni993 (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Moved from talk -- John of Reading (talk) 07:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I link category language links?

I created a category document Category:South Korean LGBTQ artists and I want to link it to the Korean Wikipedia document '분류:대한민국의 성소수자 미술가', but the link is not working. If possible, please help me connect it. Melonsida (talk) 08:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

That links works for me. You need to click on the blue "ko" text, not the red hangul text. Maproom (talk) 09:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

The language link connection with 'ko' is not working. I heard that it is possible to create a link with wikidata. If possible, please connect it. Melonsida (talk) 09:16, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Melonsida, I have created the link via Wikidata. TSventon (talk) 11:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Melonsida (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Melonsida there is a tutorial at d:Help:Linking Wikipedia pages. I followed the steps and the Wikidata item was created automatically. I then looked at the Wikidata item for Category:Indian LGBTQ artists and added similar statements to the new Wikidata item. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I delete a wikidata document?

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Category:South_Korean_LGBTQ_artists

I accidentally created this document without knowing it, and I don't know how to delete the wikidata document. Please delete it. Melonsida (talk) 11:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I have tagged it with {{Delete}}, hopefully that works. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

raising funds

Is Wikipedia a charity in Australia? or a deductable gift recipient in Australia. I am in a number of state based Australian charity oganisation, we do not have a platform like Wikipedia to gain funding. As a full time volunteer with little to no extra funds to pass to another charity I think it is rude to force anyone to donate to a cause. How many users are doing it tough no money and Wikipedia belittles people. 2001:8003:329B:400:15F5:62CB:542:F0F8 (talk) 12:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I don't know the answer to your first question, but for all information about donating, please go to donate:FAQ. None of the volunteers who monitor this page have any involvement whatever with the fundraising activities of the Wikimedia Foundation.

I'm guessing that you are reacting to the requests for donations that often appear at the top of Wikipedia pages (which are not "forcing" anybody to donate). One of the side benefits of creating an account is that you can set a preference to suppress these messages. ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Bullet and other formatting codes to use in messages?

Is there a code to make bullets when typing a message with subsidiary points to be made for clarity? (Perhaps part of a set of othas er related formatting codes?}

Incidentally, as FYI, I just deleted an earlier message I'd posted entitled "Cursor jumping" because I think it's something that would be better taken up with the Village Pump's Technical Issues people. So if any of you on the Help Desk staff saw that message and wondered it was deleted, now you know. Augnablik (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

You can use "*" (starting a line) to create a bulleted list item, or "#" to create a numbered list item. See WP:Wikitext#Lists. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Colin to the rescue once again! Thank you. Augnablik (talk) 15:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Also see Help:Cheatsheet for a summary of wilitext formatting codes, and Help:Wikitext for a more complete description. CodeTalker (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, yes, I overlooked the Cheatsheet that my mentor once suggested. Not sure I knew of Wikitext. Thank you, @CodeTalker. Augnablik (talk) 09:29, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

December 15

How long should I wait before submitting another unblock request?

I was disappointed that I had been blocked from editing emailSanta.com, as you can see on my talk page. I appealed the block, but an admin only suggested a harsher punishment. How long should I wait before returning to that topic again? I don't want to upset any more admins and want to be able to edit Wikipedia freely like I used to be able to. I hope it doesn't stay with me for my entire life. Could I request a lighter block (e.g. 1-2 years) instead of an immediate unblock or a permanent block, like the one I have currently? Félix An (talk) 04:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

You probably should not return to the topic. While the admin used a very firm tone, the advice is good. You don't need to edit emailSanta.com or any other page that relates to Santa Claus, and it seems to become a problem when you do. Right now you're only page blocked, which isn't a huge deal. Just explore other parts of Wikipedia, there are countless interesting areas to contribute. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

OK, I guess it's time to throw in the towel then. At least other editors have cleaned up the WP:COI and WP:YESPROMO (and I believe they will continue doing so throughout WP), so it's not necessary for me to edit it anymore (and I probably should focus more on my university work anyways; maybe this block is a signal for me to not distract myself every Christmas with WP 😂). Thank you for your response, and merry Christmas! Félix An (talk) 04:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

You're only blocked from that one singular article. There are almost 7 million articles on here, why don't you just... edit some of those instead?Though I'd avoid anything Santa Claus related because it seems like you're already on thin ice. RachelTensions (talk) 05:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Using AI artwork in articles

Hello. Is there currently any policy about using AI artwork in articles or does it just depend on how people feel about it at the time? And no, I don't have any examples. it's just a general question because it comes up when people upload AI generated slop to Commons for Wikipedia articles. Adamant1 (talk) 15:48, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Adamant1 I'm pretty sure this would fall under original research as AI does not always provide accurate depictions of whatever it's rendering. WP:OI also says It is not acceptable for an editor to use photo manipulation to distort the facts or position illustrated by an image. Manipulated images should be prominently noted as such. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

AI prompts given summaries of articles sounds horrible and gives me thoughts of the entire wiki getting overrun by computer-generated imagery with the potential to significantly miss its mark, and I rightfully hope the specific type of AI content you're referring to gets deleted from Commons as out-of-scope. Now, AI-generated imagery does have some relevance - such as at Department of Government Efficiency where the people we put in charge of running it created AI art to represent it. That's a different case from what I think you're referring to. Most articles would be significantly better off with no AI content, except where the specific AI content is a subject of discussion, as in the previously described case. See also WP:LLM, the policy on chatbots being used for adding text content to articles. Departure– (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Departure–: I should have been clearer but I'm specifically talking about articles that don't have anything to do with AI or AI artwork to begin with. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Then we are on the same page. AI content getting added to pages where it isn't at all relevant is the illustration equivalent of original research and I hope all such images get removed from Commons. Departure– (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Help with New Page Patrol Review and Paid Editing Tag Removal for "It's Coming"

Hello,

I'm seeking assistance with the New Page Patrol review process and the removal of a paid editing tag for the article "It's Coming (film)". I initially requested a review on December 3rd, after moving the article from Draft space to mainspace. On December 12th, I followed up on my review request and also asked for the removal of the paid editing tag that had been added to the article. I provided a detailed explanation of my contributions and assured editors that I am not receiving any compensation for my work.

Despite these efforts, I have not received any substantive response to my requests. I also sought input on the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), but the situation remains unresolved.

The article is thoroughly sourced and complies with Wikipedia's guidelines for verifiability and neutrality. I've also added a Reception section with a Rotten Tomatoes score and critical consensus to further demonstrate the film's notability.

Could someone please advise me on how to proceed with getting this article reviewed and the paid editing tag removed? Is there anything else I can do to move the process along?

Thank you for your help! Stan1900 (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Stan1900, it is unlikely that any uninvolved editor will remove that tag or mark that page as patrolled until you are far more forthcoming about your relationship with the film and filmmaker. If you haven't read Wikipedia:Single-purpose account, I suggest that you do so. Do not repeat your earlier cookie cutter responses. A full and frank explanation is needed now, instead of evasiveness. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand your concerns and need to directly address your characterization of my responses as "cookie cutter" or "evasive":

1. I created this account 8 years ago to edit Katherine Langford's page, which is completely unrelated to Shannon Alexander. To be absolutely clear: I have no personal, professional, or any other relationship with Shannon Alexander or anyone involved with these films. My interest in documenting Perth-based artists and their films stems solely from identifying gaps in coverage of independent films transitioning to wider releases.

2. All my sources are from established media outlets which meet reliability standards without question.

3. I have never received payment for editing. I have no financial or professional connection to these films or filmmakers. The paid editing tag is unjustified and should be removed.

4. The articles comply with guidelines and use reliable sources. I have been consistently transparent about my editing, and rather than being evasive, I am trying to provide clear, direct answers. If you have specific concerns about the content, I'm happy to address them. I hope this clarifies my position and resolves any misunderstandings. Stan1900 (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Stan1900, all that simply repeats your earlier statements and offers no new information. You are now behaving effectively like a one person public relations agency for Shannon Alexander on Wikipedia, and the skepticism of uninvolved editors is justified in my view, given your pattern of editing. While it is true that you made four edits to Katherine Langford in 2017 and 2018, you then stopped editing for 5-1/2 years and then returned 2-1/2 weeks ago to write three articles in one day about low budget films made by Shannon Alexander. One of those remains a draft. And since then, your editing behavior has been entirely focused on Shannon Alexander. That is highly unusual behavior consistent with a paid editing assignment. There is no solid proof but the way that various editors have responded to you is indicative of something not yet fully explained. Cullen328 (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Let me address each of your points specifically:

1. **Editing history**: Yes, I had a gap in editing - many Wikipedia editors do. My return coincides with these films receiving wider international distribution and recognition, making them newly notable for Wikipedia coverage. The fact that I wrote three articles in one day simply reflects when I had time to contribute - my work habits are not indicative of anything beyond that.

2. **Focus of documentation**: I want to correct several mischaracterizations:

- I am not a "one person PR agency" - I'm documenting notable films based entirely on independent, reliable sources

- I haven't even created a biographical page for Shannon Alexander - my focus is on documenting specific films that meet notability guidelines

- Your dismissal of these as merely "low budget films" overlooks their international recognition and distribution

- These are works that have transitioned from Perth's independent scene to receiving international attention and acclaim

- All information is based on coverage from established media outlets

3. **Pattern of editing**: When I edit, I edit according to my available time and interest. The timing and volume of my contributions is my personal choice and has no bearing on their validity. What matters is the content's compliance with Wikipedia guidelines, not when or how quickly I chose to write it.

4. **Evidence and assumptions**: You acknowledge there's "no solid proof" of paid editing, yet continue to push this narrative. Making repeated accusations without evidence contradicts Wikipedia's assumption of good faith.

I remain open to addressing specific concerns about the articles' content. If there are elements that need improvement, I'm happy to work with you and other editors to resolve them. However, continuing to make unsupported accusations about my motivations is not constructive. Stan1900 (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

December 16

Linking other languages in Wikipedia - Wikidata problem

Please see Talk:Plover - I have added links to other language articles before, but in this case it didn't work, and I'm not familiar enough with Wikidata to work out how to do it. Can anyone help? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Easier way to use visual editor to cite report with different pages and quotes?

Hello,

I use the Visual Editor for cites including the very useful “Re-use” option.

Every year the government publishes a report about Greenhouse gas emissions by Turkey so I would like to cite many (maybe 20 or so) different pages of this in the article. At the moment I use the “rp” template for pages but if I remember right someone was working on improving the VE to do it more easily. But I cannot remember the name of the improvement. Can you?

Also I would like to “Re-use” the same report but with different quotes. Because so far I have generally put just page numbers but sometimes the info is not obvious on the page - for example GHG quantity for coal is sometimes buried in a table under “solid fuel”. Is there an easy way to “re-use” a report with different quotes? Or maybe I should put the row and column number of the table or put the number in Wikidata? Chidgk1 (talk) 08:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Necessary to add footnote for languages if in infobox?

This is for Chinese Garden MRT station and other MRT stations in Singapore. Is it necessary to add a footnote for the name of the station in different languages if it is already in the infobox? Keep in mind that Singapore is a multilingual society. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 10:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)