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Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case opened

You offered a statement in an arbitration enforcement referral. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Evidence. Please add your evidence by 23:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC), which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Introduction. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 06:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ARE

@Seraphimblade I respect your decision, appreciate your involvement in the WP:ARE's report against my account, and apologize for this ping. I've seen your closing comment.[1] I kindly request you consider reducing the six-month period of topic ban, if possible, since most of the mistakes I made were first-time errors. If not possible, you can please ban me without the condition of an unban appeal after the time period of my fixed ban.? I asked for it because I've read the comments of the admin:Valereee that the appeal is very hard[2] even though I'm not fully aware of the policies of WP:ARE. I never participated before in any discussions at ARE. ®asteem Talk 19:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To maintain fairness and make sure everyone is seeing the same thing, I do not discuss open AE requests outside of AE. Please discuss the request there, not on my talk page. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade

1. I can participate in India-Pakistan-related AFD and page move discussions.?

2. After 6 months, my ban will lift automatically, or do I have to appeal for the unban?

3. Is there any condition I should appeal for unban only after 5, 7 months, or one year?.

4. With this topic ban, I am not allowed to edit politics, ethnicity, or history-related articles in the area of Pakistan-India. But I can edit language, movies/series, geography, or some BLP-related pages of India-Pakistan.?

5. I can create music/movies, series, languages, or geography-related pages in the area of India-Pakistan.?

6. As my main topic area was RC patrol, can I continue my RC patrol? If yes, is there any condition I should follow in patrolling the RC?.

7. "If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means"? Am I also banned in this ARE sanction or not?

8.Alternatively, can you please explain which specific areas of Pakistan-India related articles I am restricted from editing?

9. Where can I ask more questions to clear my doubt if I want to clear my further doubts. I can ask on Wikipedia talk:ARE? ®asteem Talk 11:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10. You can also explain the requirements to make 500 edits outside of Pakistan-India related articles,? and whether my edits to RC patrol, sandbox, Drafts, redirects, and Talk pages will be included in this 500-edit total? ®asteem Talk 12:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rasteem, you have some overlapping questions there. I strongly suggest you actually read WP:TBAN, as it seems you have some misconceptions, but for clarity, you may not edit or discuss anything related to India or Pakistan anywhere on Wikipedia while you are topic banned. That includes all the things you mentioned; you may not participate in any of those if they are India or Pakistan related, and topic bans are "broadly construed", so if you're unsure whether something falls within the scope of the ban, presume it does. After six months have passed and you have made 500 edits after being topic banned, your sanction will automatically be lifted; you need not appeal it. Though if you're uncertain whether you have met the terms of that, you may ask me or another administrator. You must both wait six months and make the 500 edits before the ban is lifted. As to asking for clarification, it is not a violation of your ban to ask for clarification on it, as you are doing now, so as above, you may ask me or another admin if you need such clarification, though of course it would make sense to ask someone who participates at AE and is familiar with such sanctions. You can still continue to do RC patrol, but just be careful not to accidentally edit something related to India or Pakistan while doing so, though reverting blatant and obvious vandalism is not a ban violation. As to the 500 edits, any edits count, though if you engage in any kind of obvious gaming (e.g., just making 500 trivial edits to your sandbox), that could be considered bad faith and result in the ban being lengthened or made indefinite. But RC patrol, etc., certainly counts toward that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your clarifications have been incredibly helpful; thank you for the assistance.

1. After 3 or 4 months, can I appeal for the unban.? After fulfilling the condition of 500 edits and not making any edits in the areas of India-Pakistan and constructively editing in other areas of Wikipedia.

2. Or is there also a condition I should not appeal for the unban before 6 months.? ®asteem Talk 11:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was no condition set regarding when you can appeal, so you can do so at any time. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade I hope you're having a wonderful day.. I want to ask a question: one of my edit on Latifi (disambiguation) was okay? Or not,[3] because I added this newspaper on the disambiguation page when I searched for Latifi and found that the name of the newspaper exists with the same name, so I added it, but I didn't edit anything directly related to Pakistan. ®asteem Talk 08:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also on RC I can revert these kinds of edits or not? [4][5] ®asteem Talk 08:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot edit anything related to India or Pakistan. That says in the very edit that it's a "Pakistani newspaper", so you may not make edits like that. In the two edits you listed, the first is blatant vandalism (someone just randomly adding "sexing" to an article), so you could revert that. In the second, it was not blatant vandalism, it was clearly a content-related dispute, so you would not be able to edit that at all. Basically, like I said above, if you need to ask or wonder whether it's covered by the ban, presume it is and stay away from it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 09:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Next I'll presume or stay away from it. As a newspaper was related to Pakistan, next I'll not link such articles even on a random disambiguation page. ®asteem Talk 09:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine-Israel articles 5 updates

You are receiving this message because you are on the update list for Palestine-Israel articles 5. The drafters note that the scope of the case was somewhat unclear, and clarify that the scope is The interaction of named parties in the WP:PIA topic area and examination of the WP:AE process that led to two referrals to WP:ARCA. Because this was unclear, two changes are being made:

First, the Committee will accept submissions for new parties for the next three days, until 23:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC). Anyone who wishes to suggest a party to the case may do so by creating a new section on the evidence talk page, providing a reason with WP:DIFFS as to why the user should be added, and notifying the user. After the three-day period ends, no further submission of parties will be considered except in exceptional circumstances. Because the Committee only hears disputes that have failed to be resolved by the usual means, proposed parties should have been recently taken to AE/AN/ANI, and either not sanctioned, or incompletely sanctioned. If a proposed party has not been taken to AE/AN/ANI, evidence is needed as to why such an attempt would have been ineffective.

Second, the evidence phase has been extended by a week, and will now close at 23:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC). For the Arbitration Committee, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement

OK, so the judgment is in. You have any suggestions on what I can do? I know the notice says I can appeal, but I'm not sure trying to appeal the sanction immediately after it was handed down is a good idea. Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mk8mlyb, there are many articles on Wikipedia which aren't about the Palestine-Israel conflict. Anything from articles about chemistry to history to art. And they all have ways they could be improved. So, find some of those to work on, find some good sources to work from, and start in. My other advice, for you specifically, would be to drop the tone of "Well of course this is what I'm doing, because my way is right and yours is wrong" that you seemed to be taking previously. An approach like that will rarely lead to constructive dialogue; it will just put people's back up. If you can work constructively in other areas for some months, I think you'd find people quite willing to consider lifting the ban after that. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. For the record, the reason I took the stance I did was because I had heard news of pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas protests celebrating the October 7 attack, many of which turned violent and into attempts to target Jews. I was deeply upset by this, and when I looked at Wikipedia's coverage of the conflict, I felt that it was promoting the same narratives that were used to justify the terrorist attack. I still stand by my belief that Wikipedia's rules and policies, such as WP:NPOV, are not being properly followed or are being twisted to promote anti-Israel bias and anti-semitic tropes, though I don't think the people involved are antisemitic. You have the right to disagree, but that's just how I feel. I have a few questions, though: can I edit the Israel or the Palestine articles in any way? Or are those off-limits too? Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember that while it is not a violation of your ban to request clarification on it, you cannot discuss the subject itself anywhere on Wikipedia, including here. You certainly cannot edit the articles about Israel or Palestine. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, OK. By the way, how do you like my recent editing on this page? Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the biggest baseball fan myself (I know, I get some trouble for it already), but I know statistics are quite important to many people who follow it, so I'm sure someone will appreciate having the details there! Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know how long it takes for editors to become administrators, on average? How long did it take you? Mk8mlyb (talk) 06:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not gained by tenure. The community has to approve a request for adminship. It took me about a year and a half, but that was a long time ago. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 11:25, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, understood. Can I edit the Iran article? Mk8mlyb (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hypothetically you could as long as you are very careful to avoid any material in it regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But it would be very easy to stumble into that, and I don't think that's a wise choice. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I have a question to ask. What do you think of Ronald Reagan? I personally think he's one of the greatest presidents ever, but he made some mistakes and I don't see him as a god. So I'll understand if you don't agree. Mk8mlyb (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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